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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have a paradigm shifted into truths

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questions and now shattered reality well

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here we are again firoozeh yeah Kate

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here we are and it's All Saints Day

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today only either All Saints are all

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souls I think all souls us tomorrow in

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any case here we are on November 1st

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2016 and oh boy do we have a wonderful

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guest yeah for you today a really really

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thought-provoking and intelligent

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gentleman and I have to thank miss

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Shannon Chandler for facilitating this

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interview by reminding our guests that

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we had met and we had once spoken about

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the podcast so thanks Shannon and this

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is an unusual situation because very

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seldom do I find that I am going to be

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introducing a guest who has an even

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bigger tent than I do which is to say

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that he talks about all kinds of things

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in his two books that he really has a

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big big tent and so our guest today is

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claude swanson PhD he went to MIT he got

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his PhD from Princeton he is just really

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a very very well accomplished gentleman

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he has worked in grav in the gravity

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group at Princeton and he has focused on

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experimental cosmology and astronomy I

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so he has had a lot of experience both

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in the sort of industrial world which

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involved DuPont United Technologies the

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United States Army and Navy DARPA and

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things so please let's welcome dr.

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Claude Swanson yes thank you so much for

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being here with us today well I was

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wonderful to be here thank you for

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having me

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and and Russia we have to give the name

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of his book yes we do because he has two

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books one of which I am the proud owner

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of the first book which is called the

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synchronized universe the new science of

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the paranormal his second book is called

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life force the scientific basis volume 2

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of the synchronized universe so let me

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start by asking you just simply is there

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a volume tree in the works

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yeah I've been taking about seven years

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per volume unfortunately I'm hoping that

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it's soon within a few months to a year

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and at the max I'm hoping with it lest

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under that basically my my trajectory

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since since I discovered I discovered

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remote viewing in 1980s and that told me

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that physics as we know it is missing a

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whole lot of things that you know our

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physics can't really explain so ever

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since then I've been doing research on

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what is missing from current Western

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science so the first the first book was

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about the paranormal and those are all

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kinds of phenomena that science can't

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explain like ESP and remote viewing and

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levitation and near-death and

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out-of-body experiences the second book

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life force is okay well these things

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happen how can we make a science how can

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we understand these things and and I

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determined that there's something

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missing from our Western science we have

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electromagnetism we have quantum physics

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blah blah blah but there's something

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that the Chinese have known about for

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five thousand years called Chi the

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Hindus call it prana and it's

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been known about it's been used by

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healers around the world but it's not

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part of Western science they don't have

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a clue what this is and so of course

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they ignore it all right so that's the

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second book is about what is the science

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and pulling together the best we know

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and the Russians have actually figured

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out a lot about what it is and the

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scientific basis so on the next book is

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about the next level of subtlety the

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next level of abstraction which is the

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afterlife and the soul what is the

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energy that makes the soul possible how

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is it that the afterlife appears to be

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very real and that maybe even the

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physical life here that we are so

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absorbed in maybe this may be the

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illusion and that may be the real life

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the soul life may be much more real than

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this but trying to pull together the

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physics of it and the science behind it

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so that's it's a big job and there

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aren't as many experiments as I would

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like but I've been trying to do that

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well that sounds really fascinating but

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what occurs to me is that a lot of your

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your research and your studies now came

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about due to the hard question in the

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study of consciousness it would and you

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know what I'm speaking of like the fact

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that you know Max Planck for instance

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said that you know consciousness is at

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the base of everything and you just

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can't get behind it you can't get behind

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consciousness because it is the re the

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real the reality behind everything now

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is would you say that this is like where

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many of your thoughts and studies

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originated from this hard question of

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consciousness or am i off no you're

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it is it is the deep question that it's

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hard for anybody to access because we're

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in the middle of it can't really make it

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a objective and look at it from outside

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point of view or like a scientist the

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the scientists noticed that when

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consciousness is presence that

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experiments get messed up results yet

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affected they call it the wavefunction

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collapse the double slit experiment and

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website to talk about it and things like

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that that if you have a quantum system

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you so describe the probability of

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particles by these things called wave

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functions which are the way be the

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waviness the wavy probability of them

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being in certain places and doing

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certain things and and we have equations

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that tell us how those waves behave but

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we also know that if you look at it if a

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human consciousness focuses on it that

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something else happens that it affects

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that system and we don't really have a

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three for that there's no physics to

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explain what happened

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when the experimenter looks inside the

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box and you know they've been all kinds

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of discussions about this and Dean Radin

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show that even if you are just remote

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photons coming along I'm going to go

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through a double-slit nice and

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interference pattern or the other side

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consciousness it still messes up the

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wavefunction it still affects thing so

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step that consciousness is something and

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it's embedded in everything else that we

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do perceive in the world and yet physics

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the base bases problem and many and many

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materialistic view that it's a

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consciousness is an accident and that it

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really has no it has no meaning beyond a

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lot you know beyond life as we know it

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on in 3d just a real quick question dr.

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range of distances problem to hundreds

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haven't gone over his experiment in

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detail to see but I know with other data

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this show then pretty much it doesn't

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you are in fact you can also affect

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things in the future or in the past so

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time doesn't matter either

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would giant stein cold you know action

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in a spooky action at a distance or

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whatever so there seems to be some as

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far away the remote viewer was Ingo Swan

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by the way Ingo Swan viewed something

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about the rings of Saturn that wasn't

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proven until years after it occurred and

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that it was seen that what he had viewed

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remotely in all the way into Saturn you

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know about that right Claude mm-hmm I

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but I know that you can Remote View out

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yeah it's very hard to interview you you

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have a million-and-a-half interesting

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topic synchronized universe right here

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on the desk between us and you know

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every chapter in your book could be a

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whole hour interview on shattered

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reality and I'm sure that our our

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listeners would put my name into Google

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Klaus Swanson website synchronized

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universe comm will pop up some people

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who are English not not American spell

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ahead as they say so so that's the only

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possible confusion if you put my name

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some sample pages and more information

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you and it may include you are having to

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explain more about the torsion situation

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and the subtle energy but um when they

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were observed could the spin on the

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electrons or subatomic particles that

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IC is SS EEM organization the subtle

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called bridges that they published

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periodically and I have

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article coming out this next month in

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that about that exact question I talked

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about Dean Ravens experiment from the

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point of view of torsion and basically

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that when the remote viewer or the the

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psychic focuses his intention on the

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double-slit trying to perceive which

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hole the photon or the electron went

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through that you create a torsion field

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the wave functions to the phases of the

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two slits to get scrambled so the

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interference pattern goes away so it

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will explain in my opinion great

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experiment and I think that so to me

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torsion is the answer to a lot of these

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questions about consciousness that that

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consciousness which is in terms of

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physics it's the torsion field could you

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distances inside the nucleus as is the

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strong and the weak forces and then is

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gravity which works over big distances

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electromagnetism that works over big

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distances and they say that's all there

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is

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those so they say and you know all the

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physics the problem is you don't you

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they they're not looking at a whole

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bunch of phenomena that have been

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discovered in the past 50 years that

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require something else and like I said

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before the Chinese call it Chi they have

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known about it for a long time it's part

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of their major medicine but in Western

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physics we pretend it doesn't exist

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there are Qi Gong masters in China who

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pinning short physical forces with this

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energy they can push things away they

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can pull things toward they can bend a

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laser beam a thousand miles away they

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can alter radioactive decay they can do

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things that physicists would say yeah

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that's physics okay and if this force

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does those things then it ought to be

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part of physics too and the Russians

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have been working to include to expand

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physics to include this energy one of

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the things they've discovered is that

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the PK masters givers I've seen any of

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the old films with some of the Russian

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PK experts all God you can move things

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move objects with this force or just go

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to the Princeton experiments where they

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cause a random event generator to change

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more ones than zeros because of

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consciousness

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those are PK effects there's a physical

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effects cost purely by the mind and this

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torsion field explains all those things

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it's really it's a property of

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space-time that needs to be included in

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Western physics we talk about Einstein's

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theory who said well gravity is really a

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curving of space you have a big mass

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like the earth it bends the space around

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it and that's what causes the forces we

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call attraction the orbits of the

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planets and things like that so he

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described gravity as a curving of space

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but the Russians have discovered is that

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torsion is an additional property of

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space it can also have a twist a local

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little twisting motion like a little

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vortex think about it like that

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and every little particle in the

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universe has a spin it's spinning like a

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top whenever it that spin changes

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direction it causes is twisting property

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in space so these little twisting motion

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are propagating through space all the

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time and so it's a very important force

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this is what mediates consciousness

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it's what the aura around the body is

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made of okay Western scientists have

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trouble measuring the aura because it's

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not electromagnetic it's not a feel that

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they understand and yet healers use it

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you can learn how to feel it it's

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something very real it's that's made of

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torsion again consciousness is also made

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of torsion and I believe the soul is

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made of torsion

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so if we understand torsion we

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understand the essence of consciousness

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and how it is we're able to go out of

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body and we're able to go to other

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places and you know pick up information

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and communicate and things like that so

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the Russians say that is really the key

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to all psychic phenomena and and and

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some of this torsion has to do with the

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the movement of subatomic particles as I

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read your book and there's some mention

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of that is is that the case yeah every

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subatomic particle under a very very

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powerful microscope is they don't just

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sit still

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they're actually jiggling there's things

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a going back and forth and they have a

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random motion on a very small scale on

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the average they said still but they're

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really kind of blurry and they jiggle

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around because the energy of the vacuum

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of space is causing this random motion

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that's the origin of the uncertainty

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principle it's the origin of a lot of

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the strange properties of quantum

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physics and one of the things that's

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causing that random motion are these

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waves of torsion which the russians call

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pi times they're kind of analogous to

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photons but they're made of torsion not

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of little bit

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so but you're right at the very small

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scale in the vacuum of space this is

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very very important the vacuum is

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spilled with these little waves and they

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they really have a lot to do with how

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physics supporters have motion occurs

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how forces occur and the Russians have

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been to the leaders in figuring out what

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this energy is how to manipulate it and

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has nothing excuse me nothing to do with

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the string theory then that was just an

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attempt to sort of explain that type of

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force yeah may we may be able to connect

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it up at some point right the string

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theory is a western direction that

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particle physicist dawn I'm sorry yeah I

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was saying it sounds like it was an

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attempt to sort of westernize the other

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theory but I guess yours actually makes

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a lot of sense though it does I mean

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from a nun physics from a layperson it

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just sounds like it sounds like a very

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good explanation yeah cultural issue

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here great that Western scientists they

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talk to each other yeah and their dick

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what they work on is dictated by

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government funding so this funding

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string theory then they work on the

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string theory and they usually go ask

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the top string theorists what do you

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think I work on hey so you get these

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fads that go on for decades right and

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the problems has been that no one can

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solve some of the string theory

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equations doing the predictions from

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them the other thing the big problem is

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they're kind of divorced from experiment

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because their theory is so complicated

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so they can't really measure these

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strings they can't see these strings and

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there's no feedback from the real world

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on experiment in their case

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the Russians just the opposite there's

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been a very heavy experimental component

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in the torsion research and a lot of

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feedback between theory and experiment

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so they have dozens upon dozens of

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experiments that show the effects of

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torsion so it's a no and as far as why

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these two groups are talking to each

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other and that may be partly cultural it

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may be that you know that there are

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government programs that work on torsion

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but they're not gonna tell you about the

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perhaps because we know that remote

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human went on for 20 years you know CIA

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funded and without secret nobody talked

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about it so who knows what else might be

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going on I'd like to think that

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somewhere in the u.s. people working on

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torsion but it's hard to do that well

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you have the clash of egos - I mean

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that's not - minimal I say just - since

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you mentioned sort of fads in physics I

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there's a theory that I have some

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interest in but I'm not sure about the

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validity of it and that has to do with

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the idea of our 3-d or 4d reality being

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a matrix now that does figure in a

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little bit with the idea that the bigger

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reality comes to us perhaps to our souls

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in an after death manner but where do

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you come down on the matrix Theory the

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matrix theory of reality you're asking

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that's what people who have near-death

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experiences or when they die one of my

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favorite people is the

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as cannon hypnotized client for 40 years

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a thousands of people and we developed a

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pretty good understanding of the

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afterlife and the whole system from from

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that and when you regress people through

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the death process in the afterlife or it

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oftentimes happened and near-death

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experiences as well all of a sudden they

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realized they look back at the physical

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reality that we thought so important and

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so tangible and they realized oh it was

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just to play it was just an illusion it

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wasn't really the important thing the

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other stuff the the soul like the energy

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in the afterlife that's where the action

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you know and this this is kind of an

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illusion and set up for us to have our

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experiences and to you know learn things

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so I I definitely would go along with

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the matrix idea or the holographic idea

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that's physical reality is in a sense an

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illusion but the synchronized universe

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verse book kind of led me to that idea

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so independently because there's so many

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phenomena like the teleportation for

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example there are young people in China

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who have already gifted they've been

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experiments with them and teleporting

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objects to glass beans for example of

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seeds put in a bottle

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seal the bottle up of tape put the tape

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inside of the box bottle inside a box

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seal the box up then hand it to them and

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say okay now remove the seeds don't open

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the box and they can do it they teleport

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the seeds outside of the bottle okay and

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so they're amazing people who can do

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these things

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and they show us that physical matter is

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not what we thought it was that there's

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a transparency there

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so the synchronized universe model and I

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proposed in my book is a way to explain

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how that can be

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and that also takes you back to the idea

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that it's really an illusion the

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conditions make it feel real to us but

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at a higher level there's a holographic

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property to it well it sounds like it's

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very comforting theory to know that you

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know we go on and so on and I mean not

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to be totally crass but is there any

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practical applications to this that you

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see like perhaps really silly stuff by

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like increasing a computer speed or or

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you know even invoking artificial

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intelligence was this type of a force

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that would make it a little bit more

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real well yep Yogi's and a Depp's and

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wise men have been doing this for

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thousands of years this is the purpose

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of the meditation they go through the

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disciplines that go through that they

519
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can tap into universal consciousness

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because the thing what the torsion field

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is it has elements that travel both much

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faster than life and also I would love

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to travel backwards in time and that

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means that we are connected with

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everything else in the universe that's

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ever happened and will ever happen and

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exactly now so we're really part of this

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huge supercomputer called the universe

529
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and when you enter altered states as the

530
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Yogi's do they can tap into that

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knowledge they follow about the Akashic

532
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record that information is available all

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the time so I think that that would be

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the goal of computer programmers or if

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they would just meditate maybe they

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wouldn't need to build a computer you

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know but would be good but that

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information and that information is

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carried in the torsion field which is

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this way

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find scale energy that I was mentioning

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before so it's going to pass him through

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every point of space-time all the time

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is always present so that's that work

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that's a much more advanced technology

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than what we have today one very

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practical application of some of this

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knowledge is the idea of changing the

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past in a way that involves one's

550
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:37,750
relationships if one one can send love

551
00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:41,380
back to ones earlier self or information

552
00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:44,920
back to one's younger self but one also

553
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:50,670
can heal relationships from the past by

554
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:55,900
sending loving feelings to whatever was

555
00:30:02,340 --> 00:29:59,440
the cause of the friction between two or

556
00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:02,350
more people and the results are really

557
00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:06,540
phenomenal that I have witnessed myself

558
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:09,280
yeah absolutely I'd love to talk to you

559
00:30:17,370 --> 00:30:13,390
more about that when I when I was in

560
00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:17,380
therapy many years ago my therapist

561
00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:20,920
would have me practice exercises like

562
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:22,800
that you know if you go back to some

563
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:25,930
traumatic event in childhood for example

564
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:30,010
and you feel so alone if you can go back

565
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:33,210
in the form of your Higher Self and

566
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:36,490
comfort that little child that is going

567
00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:39,970
through the difficult situation you can

568
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:43,960
heal the pain heal the trauma from early

569
00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:48,250
events and provide the log that may be

570
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:50,020
seen at the time or thought you were

571
00:30:54,510 --> 00:30:53,050
missing so you're right now from a

572
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:54,520
scientific point of view it's

573
00:31:01,440 --> 00:30:58,330
interesting because what that means is

574
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:01,450
that now as you come forward and again

575
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:03,670
the timeline as you move back into the

576
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,970
future you're really on a different path

577
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:08,080
than you were before

578
00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:11,170
yes synchronized universe idea where

579
00:31:16,390 --> 00:31:13,560
there are multiple parallel realities

580
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:16,400
actually you need something like that

581
00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:20,240
to help explain it we have parallel

582
00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:22,670
realities that we end up coming back on

583
00:31:28,030 --> 00:31:25,790
a slightly different reality than we

584
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:28,040
were on before they do you think about

585
00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:30,650
the movie Back to the Future it really

586
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:34,190
has that philosophy built into it so

587
00:31:40,570 --> 00:31:37,640
that you know every time he went back

588
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:40,580
into the path changed something came

589
00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:44,630
into the future it was different once

590
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:46,520
you start talking about time that's when

591
00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:52,670
my mind just goes totally blank it is

592
00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:55,550
time is real somebody said once that the

593
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,710
that there and this would agree with

594
00:32:01,360 --> 00:31:59,840
what you say about everything happening

595
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:01,370
at at the same time they said that

596
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:03,370
everything does happen simultaneously

597
00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:06,680
everything that ever was is now and the

598
00:32:10,990 --> 00:32:08,840
human mind can't comprehend that so it

599
00:32:13,510 --> 00:32:11,000
invents time two separate events and

600
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:13,520
that sort of made more sense to me than

601
00:32:20,050 --> 00:32:18,170
anything else but I cannot imagine

602
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:20,060
everything like once the Big Bang

603
00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:22,490
happened that's just postulate big bang

604
00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:25,340
and bam from there everything was

605
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:29,270
created boom right now so it which sort

606
00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:31,610
of bad because then that gets into the

607
00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:34,550
Fate freewill versus determinism and you

608
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:36,470
know and that's when they lose being on

609
00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:42,110
multiple universes oh yeah I I'm sorry I

610
00:32:58,210 --> 00:32:54,920
really that type of philosophy but there

611
00:33:00,400 --> 00:32:58,220
are other sources that that do paint a

612
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,410
picture where we learn from the past

613
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:03,200
life experience so the next lifetime we

614
00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:05,210
do it better you know like dannion

615
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:07,580
brinkley talks about three near-death

616
00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:11,510
experiences each time he died and came

617
00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:14,870
into his past life regression is the

618
00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:18,620
panoramic life review he saw all the

619
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:21,380
things he'd seen before but he also saw

620
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:23,840
the new things all the good things he'd

621
00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:26,630
done sent them that really made him

622
00:33:30,259 --> 00:33:28,100
happy so there was a definite

623
00:33:32,449 --> 00:33:30,269
progression and a learning

624
00:33:37,159 --> 00:33:32,459
as well so you have these two

625
00:33:39,949 --> 00:33:37,169
contradictory theories about these

626
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:39,959
parallel times but I don't I think I'm

627
00:33:45,379 --> 00:33:41,369
still working on that I've got to finish

628
00:33:45,619 --> 00:33:45,389
I've got a figure that went out good

629
00:33:48,829 --> 00:33:45,629
luck

630
00:33:51,949 --> 00:33:48,839
well there's the idea that anything that

631
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:51,959
could happen about is true somewhere

632
00:33:56,719 --> 00:33:54,179
yeah we believe in some Russian

633
00:34:01,849 --> 00:33:56,729
scientists mmm-hmm have used this

634
00:34:06,489 --> 00:34:01,859
torsion force to build simple time

635
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:06,499
machines mmm they they don't so far

636
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,500
reject the some future event you know

637
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:12,899
like being back to the future they do

638
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:16,500
slow down time or speed up top they can

639
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,049
generate torsion waves I'll be the

640
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:21,119
left-handed or right-handed polarity and

641
00:34:27,849 --> 00:34:24,720
fill up a chamber with more of one kind

642
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:27,859
or more of the other time rate of time

643
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:31,260
ends up being different to the outside

644
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:35,399
world so that's kind of I I have one

645
00:34:43,279 --> 00:34:39,599
thought about all of that which goes

646
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:43,289
beyond you know time time travel for

647
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:46,440
humans like the biological entities that

648
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:49,500
are humans or dogs or cats or whatever

649
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:53,099
and it it's kind of boggles my mind that

650
00:35:01,640 --> 00:34:58,770
a person could be a time traveler unless

651
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:01,650
they engaged in space travel where they

652
00:35:06,799 --> 00:35:04,500
were going so fast that they we remained

653
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:06,809
younger and when they came back to earth

654
00:35:13,609 --> 00:35:11,250
etc etc but the reason why I can't

655
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:13,619
imagine time travel for a biological

656
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:18,930
entity is because of the location of the

657
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:24,359
stars whence let's say let's just take a

658
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:28,380
big a big event in human history let's

659
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,230
take the birth of Christ okay and let's

660
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:34,440
say that there really was a individual

661
00:35:39,859 --> 00:35:37,500
person named Jesus Christ or something

662
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:39,869
similar in his own language in Aramaic

663
00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:44,010
that was born at approximately zero ad

664
00:35:52,070 --> 00:35:47,340
4ad well the stars were in a certain

665
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:52,080
place at that time so if in order to go

666
00:35:58,990 --> 00:35:54,510
back in time the stars you have to

667
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:01,820
cosmologically different cosmological

668
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:04,530
universe that existed then I just told

669
00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:09,570
you don't mess around with time does

670
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:12,500
that make any sense that thought or not

671
00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:15,330
yeah actually it does especially with

672
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:18,260
with dr. Swanson's theory because your

673
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:22,920
torsion your vortices would then sort of

674
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:25,260
coincide with the vortices of that time

675
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:27,450
and so everything would be real for you

676
00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:29,850
at that time and then when you came back

677
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:31,830
to this time you would then be in sync

678
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:33,630
with these forces well it seems to me

679
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:36,060
that your mind yours consciousness could

680
00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:38,190
go back to that time but your biologic

681
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:40,080
in terms of the time machine where your

682
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:42,780
biological body yeah I can't see that

683
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:46,800
but that's just me in any case this is I

684
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,510
think that we're getting really deep

685
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:51,920
here and I don't want to lose our our

686
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:53,190
listeners

687
00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:57,630
well cruising through the book no but

688
00:37:01,520 --> 00:36:59,490
I'm saying so - just ask you a quick

689
00:37:04,820 --> 00:37:01,530
question doctors what obviously you

690
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:04,830
started out as a sort of a westernized

691
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,640
physicist and you then came into this

692
00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:10,950
field and I can see why it's far more

693
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:13,800
interesting than the old you know how

694
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:16,050
fast does it take a bowl to run down an

695
00:37:27,860 --> 00:37:25,980
inclined plane but I you know I I really

696
00:37:32,660 --> 00:37:27,870
I really like the direction of this

697
00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:32,670
physics because it to me it's it's a

698
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:34,590
primer it's a prime mover I mean what

699
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:37,470
we're seeing is what occurs as a result

700
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:40,260
of this and I think you're absolutely on

701
00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:43,230
the right track by you know so how did

702
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:45,120
you get into because I'm sure you know

703
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:47,370
getting grants and you know and all that

704
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:49,560
stuff and getting invited to conferences

705
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:51,630
started to sort of just gradually

706
00:37:57,499 --> 00:37:55,560
dwindle away yeah well it all started

707
00:38:00,679 --> 00:37:57,509
that was great I

708
00:38:02,809 --> 00:38:00,689
I grew up in a small town mm-hmm Oh and

709
00:38:04,659 --> 00:38:02,819
then you know you you were in nature and

710
00:38:07,909 --> 00:38:04,669
you look up at the stars and you have

711
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:07,919
curiosity you want to know how things

712
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:09,089
work mm-hmm

713
00:38:13,729 --> 00:38:11,729
and eventually I figured out in school

714
00:38:17,389 --> 00:38:13,739
that oh okay well the way you figure out

715
00:38:19,669 --> 00:38:17,399
science has the answer we got things

716
00:38:22,579 --> 00:38:19,679
work you have to go into science that

717
00:38:25,099 --> 00:38:22,589
has a process you experiment you have

718
00:38:27,499 --> 00:38:25,109
theories and there's an actual procedure

719
00:38:30,939 --> 00:38:27,509
to figure out the answer to things so

720
00:38:33,439 --> 00:38:30,949
that was what got me into science yeah I

721
00:38:39,999 --> 00:38:33,449
really thought that I would get all the

722
00:38:45,409 --> 00:38:40,009
answers and what I got was ended up

723
00:38:49,189 --> 00:38:45,419
feeling superficial it felt like a lot

724
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:49,199
of the science we have comes from making

725
00:38:55,729 --> 00:38:51,689
observations we see there are certain

726
00:38:57,919 --> 00:38:55,739
things like gravity exerts a force on a

727
00:39:00,709 --> 00:38:57,929
mass and it pulls it and things like

728
00:39:03,409 --> 00:39:00,719
that okay but as far as the deeper

729
00:39:04,929 --> 00:39:03,419
question of why it does why it is the

730
00:39:08,779 --> 00:39:04,939
way it is

731
00:39:12,499 --> 00:39:08,789
physics tends to gloss over a lot of the

732
00:39:15,699 --> 00:39:12,509
deep questions and Einstein was a deep

733
00:39:19,099 --> 00:39:15,709
thinker and his theories you can kind of

734
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:19,109
express you know in a sentence or two

735
00:39:25,399 --> 00:39:22,649
the basic idea richard fineman who was

736
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:25,409
one of my all-time favorite physicist

737
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:29,130
said that if mathematics disappeared it

738
00:39:37,729 --> 00:39:35,609
was set physics back about one week but

739
00:39:41,659 --> 00:39:37,739
that I think he was really saying is the

740
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:41,669
physical ideas that are the important

741
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:44,609
part of science the most businesses

742
00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:46,349
probably wouldn't either agree or

743
00:39:51,409 --> 00:39:48,329
understand that but I've but that's how

744
00:39:53,779 --> 00:39:51,419
I understand it so but there aren't

745
00:39:56,629 --> 00:39:53,789
enough of those ideas and a lot of

746
00:40:00,079 --> 00:39:56,639
things don't get explained of course the

747
00:40:03,979 --> 00:40:00,089
things that you see that are presented

748
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:03,989
in school in class are the ones that

749
00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:07,619
they can explain so they show you you

750
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:14,000
is moving and things like that and you

751
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:15,900
go into the lab and you duplicate that

752
00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:18,570
and you say oh yeah that's it does work

753
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:20,340
it's all it must be all correct because

754
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:23,970
it doesn't just the way they said but

755
00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:26,880
they don't show you the things that

756
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:29,550
don't agree yeah

757
00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:31,700
they don't take you into a haunted house

758
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:34,860
okay where you have a cold spot that

759
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:37,170
feels 10 degrees colder than anywhere

760
00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:39,930
else you know or you see orbs flying

761
00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:43,350
around out of a near-death experience or

762
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,230
you do all the ESP all the Princeton

763
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:49,140
pear lab experiments that show that

764
00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:52,710
consciousness is measurable even though

765
00:40:57,380 --> 00:40:54,990
it can't be explained by Western physics

766
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:57,390
what did it for me what started me on

767
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:01,200
this path was in the mid 1980s when I

768
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:04,710
learned about remote viewing and I began

769
00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:06,300
to finding out that remote viewing

770
00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:10,230
actually does occur and Israel but that

771
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:14,300
you can use it to see through barriers

772
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:18,420
see through you know metal shielding see

773
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:21,930
thousands of miles away into the past it

774
00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:24,060
doesn't matter and that's not a force

775
00:41:30,260 --> 00:41:27,750
that our Western science has so that

776
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:30,270
told me that's nothing really important

777
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:33,300
was left out so once like once I knew

778
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:35,250
that then I began asking well what else

779
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,910
has been left out yes well I think

780
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:41,040
that's where you started first to write

781
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:43,110
with remote viewing I mean that was sort

782
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:45,270
of a changed life changer for you well

783
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,590
it was but yes I would say I enjoyed

784
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:52,200
going to remote viewing classes and I've

785
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,540
studied remote viewing with a number of

786
00:41:59,840 --> 00:41:56,880
the former government remote viewers but

787
00:42:02,990 --> 00:41:59,850
I was a a psychic reader before then and

788
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:03,000
it was a sort of a tradition in my

789
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,730
family more than anything else and it's

790
00:42:11,060 --> 00:42:08,640
just since the remote viewers in the

791
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,070
Monroe Institute and wonderful people

792
00:42:18,590 --> 00:42:13,680
like our wonderful guest dr. Claude

793
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:18,600
Swanson it became more okay to be a

794
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:22,320
psychic reader or an intuitive or do any

795
00:42:28,220 --> 00:42:25,830
of these things so I can't tell you how

796
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,230
much we appreciate people such as

797
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:30,480
yourself in Russell Targ do you want to

798
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:33,930
mention your books again because that's

799
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:36,630
that's what you know we like to give you

800
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:41,400
a blog type a listener would be

801
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,410
fascinated in some of these subjects a

802
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,720
compendium I mean there's just no doubt

803
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:50,700
about it there's so much information in

804
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:53,490
these books that it's they're wonderful

805
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:57,930
they are wonderful so go ahead this way

806
00:43:03,590 --> 00:43:01,440
is take my name claude swanson and put

807
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:03,600
that into google and it'll take you to

808
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:05,880
my website synchronized universe comm

809
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:08,520
and it describes the books there and

810
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:11,910
there are links to amazon where you can

811
00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:14,220
purchase the books or you can just go to

812
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:16,590
Amazon and look up Claude Swanson and

813
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:18,890
look for my two books one is called

814
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:22,050
synchronized universe use science the

815
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:24,270
paranormal the other is called life

816
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:27,780
force the scientific basis so either way

817
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:33,200
you go to Amazon or the website and so

818
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:37,500
the thing that is interesting to me from

819
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:40,890
a point of view of somebody who works in

820
00:43:47,330 --> 00:43:45,390
these fields the idea of intention now

821
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:47,340
let's say that you have a few people

822
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:51,090
that aren't as adept as these children

823
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:54,500
in China for instance but are averagely

824
00:44:00,530 --> 00:43:56,910
you know that they can sing happy

825
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:00,540
birthday in terms of psychic phenomena

826
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,560
but they're not Pavarotti and so if you

827
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:07,440
get more than one person exerting the

828
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:11,460
same intention that seems to kind of

829
00:44:18,590 --> 00:44:15,210
double up the chances that you are able

830
00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:18,600
to have an effect on the physical

831
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:21,600
universe and some III don't know if it

832
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:23,810
was Dean Radin or another

833
00:44:30,190 --> 00:44:27,150
parapsychological of force out there in

834
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:30,200
our universe that had done some

835
00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:33,660
experiments that indicated that you can

836
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:37,620
change any given out

837
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:43,680
by about 6% per intention but if more

838
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:46,980
than one person is intending for the

839
00:44:51,860 --> 00:44:49,710
same event this is not all of future but

840
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:51,870
like the outcome of a horse race or

841
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,990
something just one one event that if if

842
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:57,480
more than one person is intending that

843
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:01,740
can skew things even more would you say

844
00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:04,680
that that is a part of torsion I would

845
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:11,190
expect it might be yeah you can think

846
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:18,750
about it in a way in a way one way of

847
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:22,260
thinking about it is if you because

848
00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:26,220
torsion is able to stretch or compress

849
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:29,840
space and also stretch or compress time

850
00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:35,130
so you can impose patterns on space-time

851
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:37,590
which means you could make certain

852
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:42,240
events or certain objects more likely to

853
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:47,400
appear or to occur by by visualizing the

854
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:50,130
outline of the event or the item that

855
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:54,690
you how put off was a great physicist

856
00:45:59,420 --> 00:45:56,280
one of the people who started the remote

857
00:46:01,400 --> 00:45:59,430
viewing program and also has been active

858
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,410
in psychic research ordering gala and

859
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:04,200
other people used to say that he

860
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:07,110
believed if you would visualize a blue

861
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:10,770
sphere a blue ball hovering in front of

862
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:13,500
your face you just picture there and

863
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:18,030
picture intensely enough that to some

864
00:46:24,350 --> 00:46:22,260
extent it is really there to some extent

865
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:24,360
the probability of a popping in and

866
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:27,690
appearing becomes increased by the act

867
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:30,990
of visualized the way I think about it

868
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:33,510
is that the torsion field starts to

869
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:36,750
shift to make the probability that they

870
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,890
will appear there become greater and

871
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:42,720
that maybe that's a move that it's an

872
00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:47,970
extreme example well the background of

873
00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:55,220
it's associated with every pattern and

874
00:47:02,660 --> 00:46:58,710
every object so for example a pyramid

875
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:02,670
has an aura to it it has a framework

876
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:06,570
that is how it changes the space around

877
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:09,480
it and there's a torsion field

878
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:11,940
associated with that so the power of

879
00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:15,090
intention to me is how would shape that

880
00:47:23,570 --> 00:47:18,360
torsion field to make what we want more

881
00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:23,580
likely to appear okay it's I'm sorry but

882
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:28,220
that picture of what how put off said

883
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:30,740
brings to mind to me

884
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:36,030
UFOs oh well all right now I have a

885
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:38,850
little confession to me during the UFO

886
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:40,680
show that I had I was frequently asked

887
00:47:46,070 --> 00:47:43,640
if I had my druthers how would I like

888
00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:46,080
what explanation would I like to have

889
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:49,640
for UFO and there's a lot of various

890
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,040
sort of feels but my preference would

891
00:47:59,180 --> 00:47:55,980
always been a real nuts and bolts type

892
00:48:01,460 --> 00:47:59,190
craft with beings on it that you could

893
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:01,470
actually eventually communicate with on

894
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,160
some form and not something that pops in

895
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:06,960
and out of dimensions and that has

896
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:09,660
spiritual beings I mean that's fine and

897
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:12,660
God bless them but I wanted a Klingon

898
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:15,900
craft without its warlike intentions you

899
00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:18,570
know I I really wanted something like I

900
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:21,990
put my hands on and you know my father

901
00:48:26,510 --> 00:48:24,960
once I I was sort of engaging in this

902
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:26,520
philosophy with him when I was in

903
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:28,650
college and he's you know telling about

904
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:32,010
reality and so he said yeah well I think

905
00:48:38,830 --> 00:48:34,890
I told you yeah let me tell you kids you

906
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:38,840
stub your toe it's gonna hurt but that

907
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:41,850
begs I think what we're talking is

908
00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:43,950
reality is actually an emerging quality

909
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:46,620
of what you're describing and I think

910
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,990
you're at the base of it all really it's

911
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:50,880
a fascinating theory that you have here

912
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:54,060
I like it it's it you know some things

913
00:49:03,410 --> 00:48:56,310
just seem right when you hear them and

914
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:03,420
it just seems right yes is that we

915
00:49:08,370 --> 00:49:04,560
humans

916
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:08,380
various different stages of evolution if

917
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,690
you go from one person even in a crowd

918
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:12,880
of people in the store you buy any

919
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:15,520
different levels of involvement I think

920
00:49:22,530 --> 00:49:19,170
you pull out of a crowd if in addition

921
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,540
you started going to other planets where

922
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:24,640
civilization might have been involving

923
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:28,260
for millions or even billions of years

924
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:31,030
you're gonna find beings that are much

925
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:34,390
more evolved than anything we've ever

926
00:49:41,310 --> 00:49:37,210
encountered we have here on this planet

927
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:41,320
Yogi's and a depths and masters who can

928
00:49:46,340 --> 00:49:43,330
do some of these magical things and

929
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:46,350
they're pretty well-documented to study

930
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:49,500
and so we know that some of these

931
00:49:56,430 --> 00:49:53,920
abilities exist among humans but they're

932
00:49:58,800 --> 00:49:56,440
pretty rare but if you have a planet

933
00:50:02,190 --> 00:49:58,810
that's been evolving separately and it's

934
00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:02,200
much longer it's not surprising to have

935
00:50:06,570 --> 00:50:05,230
a craft of beings that to us would be

936
00:50:09,980 --> 00:50:06,580
like gods mm-hmm

937
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:09,990
put that would levitate and would be

938
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:13,990
more like Christ or more like Buddha in

939
00:50:20,190 --> 00:50:18,430
their normal way of thinking about the

940
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:20,200
world even she had they've all become in

941
00:50:24,930 --> 00:50:22,930
light by our standards you know that was

942
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:24,940
a long time ago but then that was their

943
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:27,430
third great you know test or something

944
00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:29,770
so some of these planets have beings

945
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:32,920
that have evolved far beyond us now if

946
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:37,510
you prefer to make the Klingons yes oh I

947
00:50:53,310 --> 00:50:50,110
say well III myself firoozeh here sort

948
00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:53,320
of I flirt with the idea of the

949
00:51:01,380 --> 00:50:57,310
panspermia that is evidence there by dr.

950
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:01,390
Chandra Wickramasinghe she says so just

951
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:07,680
because she can pronounce his name but I

952
00:51:14,670 --> 00:51:11,590
really I really have to say that most

953
00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:14,680
things and and of me be it's it's

954
00:51:18,030 --> 00:51:16,750
necessary that most things that we

955
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:18,040
discuss have

956
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:23,020
to do with human beings but my own sort

957
00:51:31,310 --> 00:51:26,650
of cosmology using the word in a broad

958
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:31,320
broader context includes that

959
00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:35,680
consciousness is all around us it's in

960
00:51:42,180 --> 00:51:38,950
the the earth itself that even inanimate

961
00:51:44,010 --> 00:51:42,190
objects may have some rudimentary form

962
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:44,020
of consciousness and certainly the

963
00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:47,530
heavenly spheres must and and that

964
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:51,750
animals are have great consciousness and

965
00:51:56,970 --> 00:51:54,970
themselves and I know that the Kate and

966
00:52:01,530 --> 00:51:56,980
I both have very strong relationships

967
00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:01,540
with companion animals but just as we

968
00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:03,190
were getting ready as I was getting

969
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:06,340
ready to be speaking to you perusing the

970
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:09,850
science news on the Internet I

971
00:52:15,690 --> 00:52:12,880
discovered that scientists just in this

972
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:15,700
past week have published some form of a

973
00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:19,930
document about how porpoises dolphins

974
00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:22,180
speak to one another and this was

975
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:24,460
actually you'll be interested to hear

976
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,140
Claude if you hadn't read about this

977
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:28,720
quite yet that it was in the Black Sea

978
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:31,270
of Russia I believe it was Black Sea

979
00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:35,950
bottlenose dolphins that the Russians

980
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:39,400
were monitoring and they found that they

981
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:42,190
were clicking back and forth between one

982
00:52:47,790 --> 00:52:44,290
another two female bottlenose dolphins

983
00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:47,800
and they were actually speaking what

984
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,380
could be determined to be sentences to

985
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:52,960
one another and it's all quite

986
00:52:57,780 --> 00:52:54,820
fascinating somes back a long time

987
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:57,790
though actually and sadly enough the

988
00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:00,180
United States Navy tried to use it

989
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,580
defensive they have a real sense I told

990
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:14,800
you I did a little bit of marine biology

991
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:17,230
and we used to put ropes in the in the

992
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,030
salt water and they would get really

993
00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:21,760
really tight and one day we were pulling

994
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:23,860
the dredge up and and all sudden they're

995
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:26,530
broken and this para dolphin said we're

996
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:29,050
always around us so the both came over

997
00:53:31,740 --> 00:53:30,880
the water at the same time as we pulled

998
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:31,750
up this dead end

999
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:34,750
and they both got and off they would

1000
00:53:40,530 --> 00:53:39,250
know and that was planned it's true it's

1001
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,540
a true side they're very intelligent

1002
00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:42,880
Adam and it's a sin the way the whales

1003
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:44,500
and the Dolphins are treated but I mean

1004
00:53:55,350 --> 00:53:51,910
we but what I'm saying is that only in

1005
00:54:05,100 --> 00:53:55,360
that way would I say I thought to

1006
00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:05,110
Swanson he's still there but and only in

1007
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,030
that way it would I say that perhaps

1008
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:09,520
that my tent is bigger than yours though

1009
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:11,590
your tent is certainly very very large

1010
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:13,930
I'm just I just don't believe that

1011
00:54:18,030 --> 00:54:16,270
humans are the crown of creation and

1012
00:54:20,010 --> 00:54:18,040
clearly when you're talking about other

1013
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:20,020
civilizations in the in the cosmos

1014
00:54:26,910 --> 00:54:22,840
clearly you don't either necessarily

1015
00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:26,920
which is not - which is I'm not against

1016
00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:29,350
humans but I'm just I don't think that

1017
00:54:36,930 --> 00:54:33,640
the average human really conceptualizes

1018
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:36,940
that their place in the cosmos is not

1019
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:45,850
really the center of every to be an

1020
00:54:55,470 --> 00:54:51,520
entry level planet really the new souls

1021
00:54:57,630 --> 00:54:55,480
come and they can get their experiences

1022
00:55:00,960 --> 00:54:57,640
being physical and things like that but

1023
00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:00,970
I think that when people evolved to a

1024
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:04,180
certain level then they might not come

1025
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:05,950
back to the earth after that but we may

1026
00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:09,910
not see so many adepts and masters here

1027
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:12,340
on the planet as we might like because

1028
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:14,790
there are other places that they may go

1029
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:18,610
you can read Yogananda the great yogi

1030
00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:21,610
from Indian brought self-realization

1031
00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:25,960
fellowship to America years ago and his

1032
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:30,990
teacher Sri Yukteswar from India died

1033
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:34,630
when Yogananda was away and Yogananda

1034
00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:38,920
was bereft about this and was sitting in

1035
00:55:45,630 --> 00:55:42,220
his room one night and his master

1036
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:45,640
appeared to him in a full Philemon

1037
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,430
Tyrael formed organizer ran up to him he

1038
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:50,319
could smell him he can hug him he could

1039
00:55:56,009 --> 00:55:52,359
touch him even though his master had

1040
00:55:59,460 --> 00:55:56,019
been gone and buried for or cremated for

1041
00:56:03,000 --> 00:55:59,470
months and they had a conversation and

1042
00:56:05,009 --> 00:56:03,010
it's in chapter 43 of Yogananda's

1043
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:05,019
autobiography and it's fascinating

1044
00:56:11,849 --> 00:56:08,529
because he asks his teacher what have

1045
00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:11,859
you been doing what where have you been

1046
00:56:17,309 --> 00:56:13,720
what you've been doing things like that

1047
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:17,319
and it's reinforced or explains that he

1048
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:21,460
is now a teacher a guru on another

1049
00:56:27,779 --> 00:56:24,490
planet of a higher dimension and that's

1050
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:27,789
the planet and he goes on to comment how

1051
00:56:31,799 --> 00:56:29,920
there are many planets of higher

1052
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:31,809
dimensions in our universe that we

1053
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:35,130
probably wouldn't even perceive and so

1054
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:37,480
beings when they've reached a certain

1055
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:41,049
level they can you know incarnate in

1056
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:45,359
other places so it's a much richer

1057
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:49,119
multi-level picture of the universe than

1058
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:54,130
we normally think of what what what are

1059
00:56:57,569 --> 00:56:55,450
your feelings about artificial

1060
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,579
intelligence do you think there's is

1061
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,640
that just sort of a computer game or do

1062
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:02,799
you think there's some possible reality

1063
00:57:08,609 --> 00:57:05,440
there I think I think one of them drop

1064
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:08,619
one of the problems right now is that

1065
00:57:15,269 --> 00:57:11,170
computer scientists have this very

1066
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:15,279
materialistic idea the brain is and of

1067
00:57:19,710 --> 00:57:18,130
what intelligence is it's it's a

1068
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:19,720
mechanistic picture that comes from

1069
00:57:24,779 --> 00:57:21,720
Western science so if you know

1070
00:57:27,529 --> 00:57:24,789
conferences on consciousness everything

1071
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:27,539
is pretty much modeled on the computer

1072
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,569
so they're missing the really special

1073
00:57:37,859 --> 00:57:34,720
aspect of us humans that we have the

1074
00:57:41,099 --> 00:57:37,869
spiritual connection this right that can

1075
00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:41,109
connect through the tourism field in my

1076
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:43,180
opinion to all kinds of other

1077
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:44,230
information

1078
00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:47,950
I read the Akashic record you can do you

1079
00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:49,960
can do remote viewing you can do

1080
00:57:55,259 --> 00:57:51,700
out-of-body experiences you can tune

1081
00:57:58,799 --> 00:57:55,269
into information that pewter made of

1082
00:57:59,490 --> 00:57:58,809
silicon chips can do and of course

1083
00:58:01,950 --> 00:57:59,500
that's

1084
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:01,960
what the computer scientists are

1085
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:04,570
educated to believe so I just have

1086
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:08,050
spoken heresy as far as they're

1087
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:12,130
concerned but that's where we humans

1088
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:14,530
have an advantage over computers we can

1089
00:58:21,450 --> 00:58:16,890
get these brilliant ideas and

1090
00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:21,460
inspirations which writers write i've

1091
00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:25,120
logically at ever they come up with and

1092
00:58:29,850 --> 00:58:27,400
in my book on the afterlife that I've

1093
00:58:32,430 --> 00:58:29,860
been writing I've learned a lot about

1094
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:32,440
what life is like on these higher planes

1095
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:37,240
and the scientists who die like Tesla or

1096
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:40,450
Edison they don't stop inventing their

1097
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:42,820
their their souls are still totally

1098
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:45,610
intact they keep on inventing on these

1099
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:48,970
higher planes and in many cases they

1100
00:58:58,220 --> 00:58:53,910
send back to us humans ideas huh it

1101
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,230
wasn't that lightbulb comes on it's off

1102
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:00,640
communication with a spirit that just

1103
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,430
gave you an idea popped into your head

1104
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:06,160
and you think you thought of it but

1105
00:59:10,890 --> 00:59:08,110
somebody else might have told it to you

1106
00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:10,900
you just don't really know it and the

1107
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:14,230
big problem according to these many

1108
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:16,680
communications that are godly come from

1109
00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:19,330
mediums and near-death experiences and

1110
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:22,060
other sources the big problem they have

1111
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:26,850
is that they can't give us just any idea

1112
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:30,640
because we humans tend to misuse one

1113
00:59:36,990 --> 00:59:33,670
thing yep yeah talk into a weapon so

1114
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:37,000
they have to be very very careful and

1115
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:39,550
what they can tell us yeah yeah just

1116
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:41,560
like the stupid Navy with the Dolphins I

1117
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:44,650
mean no really I mean they use them as a

1118
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:49,210
weapon yeah ridiculous just anyway well

1119
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:52,330
you know I I wonder which one right we

1120
00:59:59,340 --> 00:59:54,730
had a brief discussion before you came

1121
01:00:03,870 --> 00:59:59,350
on a couple of days ago I guess and we

1122
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:03,880
spoke to some extent about having a

1123
01:00:09,330 --> 01:00:06,730
near-death experience and how that kind

1124
01:00:12,060 --> 01:00:09,340
of opens things up for a person and that

1125
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:12,070
that neither of us to date had had one

1126
01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:13,280
or

1127
01:00:20,410 --> 01:00:17,630
neither has has Kate that I know that

1128
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:20,420
but I wonder it with you on a on a

1129
01:00:26,770 --> 01:00:23,270
you've been pursuing all of this now for

1130
01:00:29,820 --> 01:00:26,780
a number of years and if you have found

1131
01:00:34,990 --> 01:00:29,830
that you have had more psychic

1132
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:35,000
experiences than prior to the study that

1133
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:44,240
you've been undergoing yeah yeah no has

1134
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:45,770
this affected you have you had

1135
01:00:57,730 --> 01:00:55,930
sometimes I I think that if I don't

1136
01:01:04,500 --> 01:00:57,740
hurry up finishing my book I might have

1137
01:01:08,770 --> 01:01:04,510
way the channeling from the other side

1138
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:08,780
not be my first choice I'm here alright

1139
01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:11,680
if you're gone and I'm here I volunteer

1140
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:14,500
I'm joking I'm sure you'll outlive me

1141
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:19,690
one fascinating book that I read was by

1142
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:20,870
purportedly

1143
01:01:29,290 --> 01:01:26,210
a bishop in the Church of England his

1144
01:01:32,020 --> 01:01:29,300
father had been our Archbishop of

1145
01:01:36,370 --> 01:01:32,030
Canterbury hmm he was a noted scholar

1146
01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:36,380
and theologian wrote with great

1147
01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:38,120
authority and assurance about the

1148
01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:40,420
afterlife he thought based on church

1149
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:44,060
doctrine but he also had some psychic

1150
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:46,490
ability and he had the met a couple

1151
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:49,010
spirits along the way and had some

1152
01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:52,730
communication and it caused him not to

1153
01:02:01,000 --> 01:01:55,790
be so sure that the doctrine was 100%

1154
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:01,010
correct so he made an agreement with a

1155
01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:02,930
medium he got to know a medium before he

1156
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:06,140
passed away and he began coming to her

1157
01:02:16,450 --> 01:02:10,240
after he died describing his experiences

1158
01:02:18,850 --> 01:02:16,460
and you know by and large what he said

1159
01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:18,860
was that you know things aren't exactly

1160
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:22,660
the way I thought they were going to be

1161
01:02:26,660 --> 01:02:25,130
well what I want to know for sure is

1162
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:26,670
that my pets

1163
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:29,520
and my friendship with my animals around

1164
01:02:37,220 --> 01:02:32,720
me will in some way even with trees and

1165
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:37,230
other non-human entities will continue

1166
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:40,350
because I feel like my experiences with

1167
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:44,070
non-human entities in many cases Trump

1168
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:47,190
my experiences with the the human

1169
01:02:51,980 --> 01:02:49,380
entities and I have lots of good human

1170
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:51,990
friends as well but I really am looking

1171
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:55,140
forward in in my death State to

1172
01:02:59,570 --> 01:02:57,960
reconnect with animals that I've known

1173
01:03:02,600 --> 01:02:59,580
who have a past

1174
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:02,610
ahead of me franchise yeah animals

1175
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:04,890
certainly you find animals over there

1176
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:09,210
sure that would be a good thing well we

1177
01:03:15,850 --> 01:03:12,660
have to apologize to you because I think

1178
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:15,860
that our interview is a lot more

1179
01:03:25,540 --> 01:03:17,640
conversational than some other

1180
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:28,700
but I think that's that's the charm of

1181
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:34,050
shudder yes but I want to thank you so

1182
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:36,210
very much for being with us and I hope

1183
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:38,520
that you will come and join us again I

1184
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:40,350
think there's so much more to talk to

1185
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:44,310
you about and we we appreciate that

1186
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:46,550
you've been on it you just really have

1187
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:52,740
suffered fools gladly both delightful

1188
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:55,920
and your fellow your fellow explorers

1189
01:04:01,130 --> 01:03:57,810
we're all just trying to learn it up

1190
01:04:04,190 --> 01:04:01,140
without that Psychonauts we are well

1191
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:04,200
thank you so much really very much from

1192
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:05,970
here at from us here at shattered

1193
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:11,310
reality as as we bid dr. Claude Swanson

1194
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:15,930
a farewell I'd you thanks again doc

1195
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:19,890
great thank you I enjoyed it okay bye

1196
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,880
now bye so that was exciting right that

1197
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:26,160
was a good one like that that was fun

1198
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:28,110
that was it was really really good and

1199
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:32,010
he's a very good sport because he's just

1200
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:33,810
such an intelligent man with so much

1201
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:36,270
going on and he listened to our

1202
01:04:39,790 --> 01:04:39,090
questions very patiently no reminds me

1203
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:39,800
sort of us

1204
01:04:52,780 --> 01:04:49,510
to our dogs yes what I have one other

1205
01:04:56,020 --> 01:04:52,790
announcement to make that there is a

1206
01:05:00,250 --> 01:04:56,030
friend of shattered reality podcast who

1207
01:05:03,310 --> 01:05:00,260
is adept at Taoism I would say and her

1208
01:05:05,860 --> 01:05:03,320
name is Sharon Smith she is a friend of

1209
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:05,870
mine and she's an astrologer but she's

1210
01:05:12,550 --> 01:05:08,930
also a talented photographer and

1211
01:05:14,830 --> 01:05:12,560
independent filmmaker and I remember

1212
01:05:18,940 --> 01:05:14,840
about a year ago I mentioned her film

1213
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:18,950
which is called Saturn saved me and she

1214
01:05:29,650 --> 01:05:23,510
has just now released it for viewing on

1215
01:05:32,650 --> 01:05:29,660
the internet on vhx TV the film is set

1216
01:05:34,540 --> 01:05:32,660
in India where Sharon goes husbands

1217
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:34,550
numerous times I've never been myself

1218
01:05:40,210 --> 01:05:36,890
it's one of my bucket list things here

1219
01:05:42,670 --> 01:05:40,220
but she has gone to India a number of

1220
01:05:45,730 --> 01:05:42,680
times and she's visited with astrologers

1221
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:45,740
and other soothsayers of India

1222
01:05:52,210 --> 01:05:49,910
prognosticators as it is and she has

1223
01:05:55,150 --> 01:05:52,220
created this film pretty much on her own

1224
01:05:57,820 --> 01:05:55,160
which I have to be say that's it's hard

1225
01:06:00,190 --> 01:05:57,830
and she's one you know total of awards

1226
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,200
for it I think it's about 45 minutes

1227
01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:02,480
long but I'd have to check on that I saw

1228
01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:05,030
it myself I was very impressed it's

1229
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:08,630
visually rich and to me part of what it

1230
01:06:13,540 --> 01:06:10,490
does is it points up the difference

1231
01:06:15,730 --> 01:06:13,550
between readers of any form of psychic

1232
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:15,740
reading in the West and readers in the

1233
01:06:23,890 --> 01:06:20,000
East as in India particularly because in

1234
01:06:27,250 --> 01:06:23,900
India there's a great deal of focus put

1235
01:06:30,430 --> 01:06:27,260
on predestination whereas in the West

1236
01:06:33,220 --> 01:06:30,440
most readers will tell you that you have

1237
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:33,230
some amount of free will there may be

1238
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:36,310
certain things that are predestined but

1239
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:39,170
often in your life you have some free

1240
01:06:44,740 --> 01:06:42,710
will so that is that is my little

1241
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:44,750
announcement so get out there and and

1242
01:06:53,499 --> 01:06:49,760
see Wilson Saturn saved me it's 399 on

1243
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:53,509
vh x TB and i recommend

1244
01:07:00,219 --> 01:06:55,849
for people who are interested in India

1245
01:07:03,819 --> 01:07:00,229
or astrology or predestination or any

1246
01:07:07,479 --> 01:07:03,829
number of things like that so coming up

1247
01:07:10,839 --> 01:07:07,489
on our podcast we expect that we are

1248
01:07:15,309 --> 01:07:10,849
going to be featuring our t6 killer

1249
01:07:19,059 --> 01:07:15,319
Clark next time and her conversations

1250
01:07:22,779 --> 01:07:19,069
with indigenous Ahmet Americans the

1251
01:07:26,669 --> 01:07:22,789
Native Americans from both the United

1252
01:07:30,129 --> 01:07:26,679
States and points north and south their

1253
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:30,139
conversations their experiences with the

1254
01:07:37,419 --> 01:07:35,359
star people and this has to do with what

1255
01:07:39,609 --> 01:07:37,429
everybody sees in the night sky not

1256
01:07:41,919 --> 01:07:39,619
everybody but fortunate people or on

1257
01:07:46,419 --> 01:07:41,929
some of them unfortunate people see UFOs

1258
01:07:49,269 --> 01:07:46,429
and some of us have had experiences with

1259
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:49,279
extraterrestrials and so we are going to

1260
01:08:00,189 --> 01:07:54,799
be talking to professor six killer Clark

1261
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:00,199
and getting her ideas about what has

1262
01:08:06,999 --> 01:08:03,130
come from the anthropological evidence

1263
01:08:10,299 --> 01:08:07,009
from Native American peoples about the

1264
01:08:13,569 --> 01:08:10,309
star people I'm trying to think of the

1265
01:08:17,709 --> 01:08:13,579
man's name he was also in the UFO field

1266
01:08:20,829 --> 01:08:17,719
and it was with the airport O'Hare

1267
01:08:26,049 --> 01:08:20,839
Airport yes in Chicago with that

1268
01:08:28,329 --> 01:08:26,059
sighting and he was involved yeah I

1269
01:08:30,430 --> 01:08:28,339
can't think of his name but what he did

1270
01:08:32,649 --> 01:08:30,440
he had a side interest and it was with

1271
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:32,659
the Hopi Indians and their petroglyphs

1272
01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:34,730
and there was like remember that he was

1273
01:08:38,049 --> 01:08:36,230
saying that he was investigating it's

1274
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:38,059
like a black substance within the

1275
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:40,489
petroglyph and he felt that there may

1276
01:08:49,299 --> 01:08:43,250
have been some DNA contained in that Wow

1277
01:08:53,559 --> 01:08:49,309
yeah in the Chicago area was it Sam

1278
01:08:59,529 --> 01:08:53,569
Moran trance or something yeah yeah yeah

1279
01:09:01,149 --> 01:08:59,539
yeah yes yeah and and then he sort of

1280
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:01,159
faded away they didn't hear that much

1281
01:09:04,959 --> 01:09:03,049
from him I think I don't think that

1282
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:04,969
ferry I think he just sort of lost

1283
01:09:09,819 --> 01:09:07,449
interest or he might still be

1284
01:09:12,249 --> 01:09:09,829
mr. Gaeta you just stop publishing or

1285
01:09:13,719 --> 01:09:12,259
not publishing that we've seen but we

1286
01:09:14,949 --> 01:09:13,729
could certainly think about getting him

1287
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:14,959
on as well he sounds like a very

1288
01:09:22,029 --> 01:09:19,849
interesting fellow I've seen him I don't

1289
01:09:23,859 --> 01:09:22,039
know I don't know how far he got with

1290
01:09:27,879 --> 01:09:23,869
that I think was just staged as a theory

1291
01:09:29,489 --> 01:09:27,889
but even you know dr. Swanson too is

1292
01:09:34,629 --> 01:09:29,499
matching the hoppy

1293
01:09:38,049 --> 01:09:34,639
sure and and when I was down at at the

1294
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:38,059
national park down there in Arizona I

1295
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:41,209
had an experience a out of body dream

1296
01:09:47,259 --> 01:09:44,239
experience with some of the Kachinas

1297
01:09:50,819 --> 01:09:47,269
there and I wrote about it on my blog

1298
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:50,829
which is Ferruccio dot wordpress.com

1299
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:54,170
plug my blog anyway I think it's time

1300
01:09:58,299 --> 01:09:57,050
that we need to say thank you so do you

1301
01:10:00,520 --> 01:09:58,309
thinking that do you have any do you

1302
01:10:11,620 --> 01:10:00,530
have any announcements no I'm good I'm

1303
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:11,630
good we are in a very silly mood yeah

1304
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:16,249
well well next week will be the big next

1305
01:10:24,819 --> 01:10:19,130
week will be our d6 killer class let's